Pressure & Promise: Managing Stress While Holding Onto Hope

Stress doesn’t wait for a “good time,” and hope doesn’t require you to fake a smile. April carries both National Stress Awareness Month and National Hope Month, and we lean into that tension with a real conversation about what pressure does to your body, your mind, and your sense of purpose.

We break down stress in plain terms, including the difference between eustress, which motivates, and distress, which drains. Then we get specific about the moment “busy” turns into burnout, plus the warning signs people ignore: irritability, pulling away from loved ones, emotional numbness, and losing interest in what used to matter. Bryan also shares how grief and major loss can change the way you show up, not because you’re weak, but because you’re human.

From there, we talk hope without denial. We draw a sharp line between hope and wishful thinking, and we call out toxic positivity for what it is: a shutdown that can create shame, silence, and isolation. We share practical stress management tools you can use today, such as naming what you feel, slowing your thoughts down, pressing pause with breathwork, leaning on your people, and staying aligned with your purpose without comparing your path to someone else’s timeline.

If you’ve been carrying it alone, this is your reminder that you don’t have to. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, leave a review, and tell us: what’s one small practice that helps you hold hope in the middle of pressure?

Transcript

April Brings Stress And Hope

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to the Bro Talk Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Real men, real talk, real transformation.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

We are two brothers, two cities, one mission. I'm your co-host Brian Williams, coming out of H Town in Houston, Texas. I'm Jermaine Alberty, coming out of Las Vegas, Nevada. And this is the Bro Talk Podcast. April is interesting. It's both National Stress Awareness Month and National Hope Month. That feels like a contradiction. What are your thoughts about that, Jermaine?

SPEAKER_01 0:34

You know it does, but it's also reality because life can often be a place where we have both pressure and promise in the same space. So, Brian, let me ask you a question. Why do you think that stress and hope show up at the same time?

Eustress Versus Distress Explained

SPEAKER_00 0:52

That's an interesting question. Pressure is a part of life, but so is the need to keep going. You can't escape one, but you need the other one to survive it. Now, let's define stress in a real way. Stress is the body's reaction to demands, and it's often divided into two types of stress. You stress, which is positive, motivating, and manageable, and distress, which is negative, overwhelming, and harmful. Jermaine, when does stress become unhealthy instead of productive?

Busy Versus Burnout Warning Signs

SPEAKER_01 1:25

When we talk about uh stress becoming unhealthy, it becomes unhealthy when it starts draining you more than developing you. You mentioned a couple of types of stress. That's typical stress. Or you got some bills coming up, that's healthy stress, right? Those are things that are things that we face every day in life, and we know how to cope with those things. But that stress that drains us, depletes us, causes us anxiety, even depression, that's when it can become um really distressing. So let's flip this real quick. Brian, how can someone tell the difference between being busy versus just being burnt out?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Being busy is a temporary state of high activity with a clear endpoint, and there are clear returns with energy and rest. But burnout is a state of chronic emotional and physical exhaustion caused by a prolonged stress where rest does not restore energy. Essentially, burnout is when you're still showing up, but you're no longer present. You're doing the work, but the work is draining you. Jermaine, what are some signs that people ignore when they're overwhelmed?

Stress Hits Identity And Purpose

SPEAKER_01 2:46

You know, one of the signs that doesn't seem as obvious, but really is, is irritability. It's when you start snapping at people that you typically wouldn't snap at. It's when the small things get underneath your skin. It's even also when we withdraw from family and friends and work, we just withdraw and we don't show up. It can also be when we just overthink stuff. When it's something that should be really simplistic, but we make more out of it than it really is. So we overthink it. I would say is that when emotionally you just can't feel what you once felt. You become emotionally numb. Something that would cause you to cry, you don't cry anymore. Something that would cause you to be angry, you're not angry anymore. So that emotional numbness is also one of those things. The last one that is something we should pay attention to is when we lose interest in the things that used to matter. And so that's when we can really tell when we've gone beyond just typical stress to something that may be coming more serious. So, Brian, let's go deeper. How do you think stress affects how people see themselves?

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Well, you and I just mentioned uh just a few minutes ago that there are two types of stress: youth stress and distress. Youth stress is viewed as a challenge, while distress is viewed as a threat. Youth stress is also associated with feeling like you're in control, while distress often arises from a lack of control. And then youth stress motivates and strengthens, while distress causes anxiety. So essentially, you know, it makes you question your value, your decisions, and even your direction. So, Jermaine, let me ask you: can stress impact someone's sense of purpose?

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Oh, absolutely. Stress has a way of causing us to narrow our vision. And sometimes we'll feel stuck as if we cannot make any progress. It also sometimes can feel like this is never gonna end, that it's permanent, and that you know, some people when they're stressed out, they just feel like, what's the use? And so it can most definitely narrow one's vision and have them stuck in today and not able to see tomorrow. So, Brian, have you ever had a season where stress changed how you showed up for others?

Hope Without Denying Reality

SPEAKER_00 5:35

What's interesting that you ask that question. Uh as you know, the year 2025 was a very difficult and challenging year for me, in that I lost my sister during the month of May, and six weeks later, my mom had passed. And so those were two very stressful, life-changing events that definitely has impacted me and uh impacted my ability to show up for others. So as I'm navigating this season and still currently navigating, uh, there are there are days where I exhibit less patience. There are days where I exhibit less presence, and there are days where I'm just trying to get through the day, and I'm not concerned about showing up for others because I'm I'm really concerned about how can I show up for myself. So yeah, stress definitely does impact the way I show up for others. And I I think we all um you know encounter stressful situations where it causes us to react and respond that way. So, Jermaine, let's let's talk about hope. How would you define it for someone who feels like they've lost it?

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Well, I think so many times uh people mistake hope for this kind of pie in the sky kind of you know thing where I just think, oh, everything is amazing, everything is great, everything is okay. And here's the reality hope is not pretending that things are okay. Hope is often rooted in choosing to believe that this moment isn't the end uh of the story. If we were to embed scripture into this definition uh about what uh faith is, faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. So although we may not be able to see tomorrow in that moment, it is faith and hope combined together that help us to be able to say, you know what, it may not be okay right now, but I can believe that tomorrow can be better. Hope is not pretending that what's true is not true. You we you have to face the truth for what it is. But here's the reality is that we can face that truth and say, okay, this may be true today, but it don't have to be true for me tomorrow. So let me ask you a question, Brian. What's the difference between hope and wishful thinking?

SPEAKER_00 8:35

So as I think about what hope is versus wishful thinking, hope accepts reality while seeking possibilities, whereas wishful thinking often ignores reality. Hope also involves setting goals, developing plans, and taking action to create a desired future, while wishful thinking relies on chance or fantasy to make one feel better. So, really, the the two key differences between hope and wishful thinking hope has pathways, a plan, and there's agency where you have the belief and your ability to achieve it, while wishful thinking generally lacks both. So, Jermaine, what helps you to hold on to hope when life gets heavy?

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Well, the typical answer from a preacher with my faith in God. That's that's the typical answer, right? From a preacher is my faith in God.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

And remember, this is not a typical podcast, so we don't want a typical response, you know.

Stress And Hope Can Coexist

SPEAKER_01 9:41

And so I would say, well, most definitely my faith in God helps me, to be honest. It is my human connection with people like you and other dear friends, so I can turn to what I'm in need of just uh somebody to lean on. Because I think that that's what we really are missing in this world of uh social media. While we can look online and kind of see how people are doing, we don't really know how people really are doing, but what they post online. So when life gets heavy, I turn to my dear friends. Um, as I say, you, Daryl, Antoine, Jen. I turn to my dear friends and I lean on them. And uh, we are old enough to remember that song, Lean On Me When You're Not Strong, and I'll be your friend, I'll help you carry on. And uh, and so that is what gets me through when life gets heavy. The other thing though is I know who I am called to be, and so I stay connected to my purpose, and I also remember that difficult seasons will not always be like this, they will not always last forever. And so that's what I do when life gets a little heavy. So let me ask this question of you, Brian. Can stress and hope exist at the same time?

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Can stress and hope exist at the same time? Well, they have to exist at the same time. When we earlier in the podcast unpacked the definition of stress, our body's physical or psychological response to life's challenges, they're gonna be things that we we deal with and are faced with in life. And um that that's just a part of life. So that that is that stress. But the beauty in that and the optimism in that is that, like you just articulated, hope is that um that optimistic view that things will improve, that things will get better, and uh that things must get better. And so, as you you embedded some scripture, I'm always reminded of Romans 8 and 28. That was actually one of the first Bible verses that I remember where the writer Paul says that all things work together for the good of those who love the Lord and who are called according to his purpose. And so that verse, that verse just reminds me that there are things in life that we will face, and not all those things that we face are gonna be good. Uh, but there's hope, there's optimism that those things, uh, if they're negative and and um harmful, they're not gonna last always. So I think they have to to coexist uh because we're we're gonna face challenges and difficulties in life, uh, but us having a futuristic, optimistic view that things will get better are gonna allow us to overcome those things. And so what I'd like for you to speak about is why do you think people feel like they have to choose between being honest about stress and staying hopeful?

Toxic Positivity And Real Emotions

SPEAKER_01 13:07

It's because what has been embedded in us. Sometimes my religious or spiritual upbringing about how we deal with pain and how we deal with suffering. But sometimes I think it's because people think hope means ignoring one's pain, but it doesn't. In fact, real hope acknowledges the struggle, and when it acknowledges that struggle, it makes a determination to move forward and not get stuck in the struggle. I think that's the reason why people are not really honest with themselves sometimes about stress, is because they've been programmed to think that they are supposed to deal with stress in this way. If you're stressed out somehow, you're not believing God. And the reality is this is that I believe God, but stress is still real. So I want to ask you, Brian, what do you think about toxic positivity?

SPEAKER_00 14:09

I'm gonna share just a few thoughts about toxic positivity, three categories uh related to shame and guilt, silence and isolation and repression. So when we think about toxic positivity, it can make people feel bad for having normal human negative emotions. And you've you've talked a lot about that. Just validating and affirming people's emotions, because uh there are things that we go through in life and there are feelings that are associated with that. And so it's just a natural, normal part of being a human. Uh, in regards to silence and isolation, um, the danger in the toxic posity is that it allows or can allow individuals to stop sharing their real problems for fear of being told to stay positive. So it can actually kind of shut us down and uh help us to put up walls that don't uh allow us to be transparent. And then, in regards to repression, suppressing those emotions can cause more psychological distress than physical stress. And so those are just a few thoughts about toxic positivity. Essentially, it shuts people down, it tells people to skip the process instead of working through those um normal human emotions and feelings. So, Jermaine, let's let's make this a little more practical. What are some daily practices that help us manage stress?

SPEAKER_01 15:36

So that's a great question. There's three things I think people can do. And this kind of goes back into this toxic positivity, and that is naming what you're feeling. Because that toxic positivity actually what it does is it causes a person to only want to feel good vibes, right? It's just only good vibes mantra, no negative thoughts here. Uh-uh. We need to name what we're feeling. So that's the first thing. Name what we're feeling. So be honest about what we're feeling. The other thing is we need to begin to slow our thoughts down. Because I don't know about you, but there are times when my mind can be going a thousand miles an hour. And it is in that haste and in that rush that I may not think through clearly what decisions I need to make. And then the third thing I mentioned earlier about when life is heavy, staying connected to people who ground you. And so those three things are naming what you're feeling, slowing your thoughts down, and then lastly, staying connected to people who ground you. So, Brian, what helps you to reset when you feel the realmed?

Isolation, Community, Showing Up

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Well, that that's a great question. Uh, I think we all experience feelings of being overwhelmed. And what I like to do is I like to press pause. And um, and when I press pause, it allows me to take a step back. It allows me to sometimes even practice some breathing techniques where, you know, I slow the pace of my breathing down. And that kind of reminds me that, you know, I'm in control. And um, that whatever the challenge or the task that I'm thinking about or that's weighing heavily on me, it actually causes my heart rate to slow down. And um, those breathing exercises and techniques really come into play. And then, you know, I just like to remind myself that everything doesn't have to be solved at once, that I can take it one step at a time, uh, one day at a time, and that I don't have to be overwhelmed by trying to be consumed with trying to solve um the situation or the issue all at once. And, you know, one final thing that I try to do that really helps me is um you and I have you know talked about scripture. I try to find a Bible verse or a scripture that allows me to just meditate on that in regards to whatever situation I'm I'm navigating. And just meditating on that, rehearsing it in my mind, speaking it out loud sometimes allows me to feel like, you know what? Everything's gonna be okay. So that's that's how I try to, you know, respond to being overwhelmed. Let me ask you, what's one habit that you have had to unlearn to manage stress better?

SPEAKER_01 18:50

To realize that underneath my shirt is not an S sign. You know, I'm not Superman and I don't have to be Superman. And I don't have to try to carry everything alone and by myself, but I can rely on my village, I can rely on my community to um support me and be there. But being the oldest seven kids, I've had to carry a lot of stuff on my own. And so being able to realize that, hey, I don't have to do that has been really important. So that one habit is realizing that I don't have to carry everybody on my shoulders. I don't. And uh so with that being said, Brian, why is isolation so dangerous when someone is stressed?

SPEAKER_00 19:41

I think uh, and you you know, I think isolation is dangerous. And you alluded to this earlier in comments that you had made, that we all have that desire and that need for human connection. And I also believe that we were created to live within and in community. And I know in Genesis, um when when Adam was created and he was given a job and a responsibility to name uh the animals and be a good steward over the garden, um, God saw that you know, he needed a help make or a help meet. And uh God said that it wasn't good for him to be alone. And I think that that principle not only applies to marriage or, you know, uh a significant relationship with a spouse or partner, but it also applies to us living in community with one another. And so when we try to go it alone or do it uh alone or by ourselves, uh it really puts us or jeopardizes uh us to you know have increased risk of dealing with illnesses, um, you know, whether those are physical, whether those are mental. And, you know, when we try to carry burdens on our own, they just seem heavier when we try to do things on our own. But I I believe that we are better, stronger, when we're in community, we can encourage one another and support one another. So, what I'd like to ask you is what does it look like for someone to truly show up for another person?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Well, you know that I like to watch the show uh called Golden Girls. And the theme song really says, thank you for being a friend. And love about that song. And to me, being a friend means listening to me without trying to fix me. Being a friend means being present for me. And then also being a friend means that I let you know that you're not alone in this struggle. And so I think that even if you're not a friend to somebody, just being human is being present. And by being present for someone, it lets them know hey, just like you mentioned in the garden, it's not good for us to be alone. So, Brian, uh, have you ever had someone show up for you in a way that restored your hope?

Why Men Stay Silent

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Absolutely. Um, and they're still showing up today. You know, as I've as I mentioned, um, you know, the grief process is um there's no timetable associated with that. And as I still process the feelings of losing my sister and my mom, there are people uh like yourself who continue to show up. Uh, I get calls, I get text messages with affirmations, with Bible verses. Uh, people, you know, will check up on me. And those small um, you know, expressions of just showing that people care about me and are concerned about me and um want to make sure that I'm okay, really inspire me and encourage me to continue to have hope. And um, you know, you you consistently check up on me. Um, there are several friends who check up on me, but there's a uh a 92-year-old mother from Kansas City, and uh her name is Mother Greer, and she's actually uh the mother-in-law of my pastor, uh Pastor Eric Williams, and the mom of his wife, Sister Brenda Williams. And so since my mom has passed, she makes it her priority to call me once a month to just say, Hey, Brother Brian, I'm I'm calling to check on you to make sure that you're doing okay. And I think about that and I think, wow, here's this 92-year-old woman who, you know, out of all the things that she could do and be occupied with, and she may even forget um to do, you know, tasks. Uh, the one thing that she hasn't forgotten to do is to check up on me and call me at least once a month. And so I tried to reciprocate that to do the same for her. But it's uh individuals, again, like yourself and like her and others, other friends and family who remind me that I don't have to carry everything by myself. So, Jermaine, uh as we continue this conversation about stress, we're gonna personalize it to men. Why do you think men struggle to talk about stress?

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Well, once again, I think it's what we've been taught and how we've defined manhood to mean that somehow if we talk about being stressed, somehow we are um not strong. And so we tend to find strength in silence when strength and silence can actually kill us because if we don't talk about it, then we suffer alone. And so I think men don't talk about their stress because they want to uh show those people around them I can take a licking and keep on ticking. And uh I think that what we need to do is we need to encourage men to talk about stress. But here's the challenge, and I want to ask you, Brian, why do you think um men don't ask for help? What stopped men from asking for help?

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Uh that question is all uh very similar to asking a brother or any man for that reason, why, if he's lost, he doesn't pull over and ask for directions. Ain't that something? And uh I think part of it has to deal with uh pride. Um, you know, we we don't want to admit that we don't know or that we need uh somebody to help us know and understand. And the other part of that is, you know, from the time that we are boys into adolescent young men and to men, um, we have been taught that there is an image that a man has to portray and that he has to display that he is in control, that he's strong. And um when he doesn't display that, that's a sign of being weak. And so I think those reasons are reasons why men don't ask for help. What would it look like for men to lead with vulnerability and to ask for help from your perspective?

SPEAKER_01 27:04

It would change everything. It would change how families interact with one another. It would change relationships between children, uh, it would change relationships between our communities. If we could just be vulnerable enough to say, I'm not perfect, I don't have it all together, and I can't do this by myself. And I need my spouse, my partner, I need my children to help me carry the load. And I don't have to carry it all by myself. If we could leave from that sense of vulnerability, knowing that to be vulnerable actually and admit that vulnerability is actually strength. It is strength. And so I think that if we could just be vulnerable and honest, it can change the world we live in. Absolutely. Yeah, I I want to ask you, Brian, can purpose become stressful?

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Can purpose become stressful? And I'm gonna actually add to that, can your purpose and your vision become stressful? And when I think about purpose, uh, purpose is associated with mission, and it it asks and answers the question, why am I here? And then a vision asks and answers the question, what do I hope to become? And so when you connect those two, why am I here and what do I hope to become? I think it becomes stressful when we begin to compare ourselves, our purpose, our mission, our vision, our destiny to somebody else's purpose, mission, vision, and destiny. And we develop a perception that they are further along or accomplishing more than we um would expect ourselves to accomplish or to be at a certain point in our lives. And I think when we make that comparison um with ourselves to others, that sets us up uh to cause a lot of anxiety and stress, and it causes us to feel like we're falling behind and not where we should be. But everybody has their own path, their own destiny. And you and I talk about this all the time. We actually have conversations about, you know, uh decisions we've made, uh, jobs we've taken, colleges we've applied to and attended or didn't, and where we would be as a result of those choices. And I think you and I always land at the same spot every time we have those conversations, that every decision that we've ever made, uh, we are exactly where we're supposed to be. And when when we accept that reality, I think that that doesn't cause us to put ourselves in a stressful situation uh with comparing ourselves to others. And so for you, uh what I want you to think about and unpack for us is how do you stay aligned with purpose without becoming overwhelmed?

SPEAKER_01 30:26

I avoid, to the best of my ability, shoulda, coulda, woulda, what I should have done, what I could have done, what I would have done, because living on shoulda, coulda, woulda boulevard will keep you stuck. And so it's so important that we pace ourselves and truly understand the purpose of our journey and realize that for some of us it's going to be a relay race, and for others, it's gonna be a marathon, and not to compare our race to anybody else's race, because there's a saying we've all heard that the race is not given to the swift, nor to battle to the strong, but to the one that endured to the end, and that ain't in the Bible, by the way, but uh there's a part of that in the Bible in Ecclesiastes, but it's still meaningful, you know. The race is not given to the one that you think is the fastest, you know, it's really about endurance. So, uh Brian, have you ever questioned your path because of some kind of pressure that's come upon you?

SPEAKER_00 31:43

I I think we all question our paths because of pressure that's applied to us and that comes upon us. But one of the things that I can say about the pressure is that in those moments or seasons of pressure, and there have been some very pivotal moments in my life that I can clearly see and clearly define when I was receiving pressure from other people to go a certain route or journey into a certain destiny that I knew was not the path that God had created and designed for me to take. And it's at those moments where I knew that there was a um, you know, a um an we're gonna you'll fix that.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

I will.

Daily Hope And Mindset Protection

SPEAKER_00 32:38

I'm trying to get the word out. Um you're gonna oh goodness, you'll fix this. Uh there were clear moments and seasons in my in my there were clear moments and seasons in my life where I received pressure from some really pivotal people in my life who were actually mentors as well, who um thought that I would take a or I should take a certain path or journey that I knew um was not a path that God had created or designed me to take. And I knew that that was a a deviation from the path in the journey that I had already outlined and knew um was a part of my destiny. And so, in those moments and in those seasons, that pressure has helped me to be very focused and actually to refocus on what matters the most. And so um I think we all have those seasons where we question our paths because of pressure. What I want to ask you is what does it look like to practice hope daily?

SPEAKER_01 33:55

Well, the first thing we have to learn how to celebrate the small wins because progress is progress. And so a lot of folks want to wait till the big win comes. But listen, just taking one step in front of another stuff is called walking, and so listen, celebrate the small wins. The other thing is to speak life over yourself, learning how to encourage yourself when nobody else will. And then we've heard this ideal about being grounded, uh, but staying grounded is what matters most, and not allowing oneself to be so easily moved, be like that tree that's planted by the rivers of water, and just take in uh that nourishment and that spot that you're in to equip you for the road ahead, and so stay grounded in whatever it is that you believe that you are called to do, stay grounded, do not let circus that move you, but stay grounded. So, Brian, what helps you protect your mindset during difficult seasons?

If You Feel Alone Right Now

SPEAKER_00 35:15

I think the things that help me to uh protect my mind, I'm very careful about what I allow to enter into my mind. And essentially, that's you know, I'm very careful and cautious about what I think about and uh what I read, what I take in, and what I meditate on. And so I'm very, very intentional about every morning waking up and reading the Bible and meditating upon uh those verses. And so I'm also cautious about who I allow to speak into me. Um, because people's you know, words can actually uh impact what I think about or how I perceive or view myself. There's a quote by uh Maya Angelo that I love, and it's actually it might be from a poem or a phrase that she said, but she at one point said, uh, I will not let people walk through my mind with their dirty feet. And so I'm very careful about you know what I meditate on and think about and who I allow to speak into my life. So those are things that allow me to um really think about protecting my mind. So, Jermaine, if someone is overwhelmed right now, what do they need to hear?

Final Takeaways And Rapid Fire

SPEAKER_01 36:39

They need to turn on Michael Jackson's song and sing, You are not alone. Listen, you have heard this over and over and over and over again. And I I want to be, you know, back to that toxic positivity we talked about earlier, because I'm kind of stuck there. Um, here's the truth people do feel alone, man. People feel alone. Research tells us the the former Surgeon General uh Divin Murphy said that loneliness is an epidemic in the United States. In fact, he said that health challenges that people experience as a result of being lonely is akin to someone smoking 15 cigarettes a day. And so I just want to make sure people who listen to our podcasts are like, yeah, they keep saying we're not alone, we're not alone, we're not alone, but I feel alone. Let me just tell you, I know the fact that uh there's a lot of people who are in crowds who feel lonely. And that's real. But I'm gonna tell you, you cannot get help if you don't open your mouth and say, Y'all, listen, I know it seems like I got it all together, but I don't. I don't. So you're not alone, and I want you to, if you feel that way, to tell somebody that you feel that way, so that they can one, reassure you that they're not. And so also remember that this moment is not permanent, and then lastly, that your stress does not define your future, it maybe define the moment, but it doesn't define your future. And so I just want y'all to know that. You know, yes, we are saying you're not alone. Uh, you're gonna even hear me tell you this one thing. It's okay not to be okay, also. Get some help, talk to somebody. You know, this is about stress, and this is also about hope. The two can live together. And so, Brian, I would uh ask you what is your one final message that you want people to walk away with uh from this podcast?

SPEAKER_00 39:03

I think you so eloquently summed it up for our listeners that you don't have to have everything figured out to take your next step. We are not alone and we're all in this together. And so, Jermaine, as we close our podcast today with the intersection of stress and hope coexisting, we're gonna close with what we call rapid fire. So I'll ask you what's one word for stress? Pressure. What's one word for hope? Possibility. What restores you? Purpose. And what drains you? And I think you talked about that isolation.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Yeah, yeah. Well, Brian, listen, April reminds us that stress is will, but so is hope.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

And if you can hold on to hope in the middle of pressure, you're already moving forward. So church with someone who needs it. Subscribe, follow, and stay connected. Because this is the Bro Talk Podcast. Real men, real conversations, real transformation.